As I was
transcribing this, social media was all aflutter about Joe Biden announcing his
candidacy for President, and, sure enough, the word “electability” started
being thrown around in relation to why he makes a good candidate.
Funnily enough,
that’s the topic of conversation with my Anonymous Friend of the Week,
otherwise known as Them.
Here’s the
interview:
ME: Let’s talk
about electability.
THEM: Is this about Joe Biden?
ME: Yup.
THEM: (Laughs.) He’s already getting too much press, and he
hasn’t even announced yet.
(Sidenote: This conversation was had on Sunday.)
ME: People are
saying he should be the nominee—or someone like him—because he’s ‘electable’
and I just wanted to figure out what they mean when they say that.
THEM: So you don’t
know what it means?
ME: I thiiiiiink I
know what it means, but I’m not sure they do.
THEM: Okay, well,
from my perspective, it’s because he’s a straight, white male who’s a bit older,
and I think some people think they’re being realistic by saying that we should
run him, because maybe Trump voters will flip for someone that, at least
visually, represents someone they’d be, uh, comfortable having in power.
ME: I do want to
keep this anonymous, but would you feel comfortable mentioning—
THEM: I’m an
African-American woman.
ME: I meant are
you a Capricorn?
THEM:
(Laughs.) Sagittarius, baby.
ME: Wow,
okay. This is about to get interesting.
THEM: You really
are insane.
ME: You’re the one
who agreed to talk to me.
THEM: We should
just stop the interview now.
ME: Just give me a
few more soundbytes and then we’ll be good.
THEM: I’ll just
say something about eliminating the judicial branch. How about that?
ME: Oh shit, that
might need a separate interview altogether.
THEM: So you’re
for Mayor Pete, right?
ME: No, I like
Mayor Pete, I’m not for anybody
yet. That’s what primary season is for—so
you don’t have to be for someone right out of the gate.
THEM: But you’re
not pro-Joe?
ME: I am not pro-Joe.
THEM: Why?
ME: I think he’s
got some…Oh boy, I’m going to get dragged for this, uh—some things in common
with the current President that make me nervous.
THEM: Such as?
ME: He’s handsy with women, he speaks before he thinks, and frankly, I actually don’t like that he’s friends with so many Republicans.
ME: He’s handsy with women, he speaks before he thinks, and frankly, I actually don’t like that he’s friends with so many Republicans.
THEM: Really?
ME: Yeah, we’re at war. I don’t want to find out you’re golfing with the other side, Uncle Joe.
ME: Yeah, we’re at war. I don’t want to find out you’re golfing with the other side, Uncle Joe.
THEM: So you don’t
think the right President could bring the country back together?
ME: If Barack Obama and his superhero of a wife could not bridge the divide between me and the assholes, no, I don’t have hope for anyone else. Electing the current President was a slap across the face from one side of the country to the other, and even though I’m not exactly pro-violence, I do think my side is owed a slap back before we have to talk about getting in a circle and singing Kumbaya.
ME: If Barack Obama and his superhero of a wife could not bridge the divide between me and the assholes, no, I don’t have hope for anyone else. Electing the current President was a slap across the face from one side of the country to the other, and even though I’m not exactly pro-violence, I do think my side is owed a slap back before we have to talk about getting in a circle and singing Kumbaya.
THEM: You’re
really fired up.
ME: There’s no way
I’m making it to 2020. I can tell you
that right now.
THEM: So you don’t
think he’s electable?
ME: I don’t care
if he’s electable. That’s my point. Not because I don’t want to make sure we get
someone in, but because, I think predicting who is electable and who isn’t
after 2016 is pointless. The President
was the definition of ‘unelectable’ even according to people in his own party, and
he got elected, so why are we trying to figure this out? And why figure it out a year and a half
before we have to?
THEM: And like I
said, the implication is that America won’t elect someone like Kamala Harris.
ME: That’s your
early favorite, right?
THEM: Right, I’m
House of Harris with a rising Warren.
ME: People—even people
who like to label themselves as progressive—are sort of dancing around saying ‘Americans
won’t elect a black woman.’
THEM: Or a woman
at all.
ME: As if what we
should be doing is figuring out how to appeal to racists and sexists.
THEM: There’s this
feeling that—we can’t beat these people, so we sort of have to…meet them
halfway. It’s a narrative that’s been
going around since immediately after Trump won.
That we did the wrong thing by not finding a suitable candidate for the
KKK.
ME: You know about
politics than I do—
THEM: Says who?
ME: It’s your field!
ME: It’s your field!
THEM: But you’re
obsessed.
ME: I am pretty
obsessed. But I was going to say—am I
wrong in thinking that we’re barking up the wrong tree by trying to flip voters?
THEM: As opposed
to?
ME: Firing up the base? Bringing in liberals who haven’t voted before? Finding someone who appeals to young people the way President Obama did?
ME: Firing up the base? Bringing in liberals who haven’t voted before? Finding someone who appeals to young people the way President Obama did?
THEM: Making sure
Russia doesn’t interfere again?
ME: And then there’s
that.
THEM: When people
talk about electability, I want to ask them if they’re referring to who Putin
would like to elect.
ME: That’s what I
mean—there’s all these variables. Why
not just see who makes it out of what is sure to be an excruciating primary
process?
THEM: There’s this
urge to get it right—which is understandable.
But what is right?
ME: There are
people criticizing progressives and liberals for valuing purity in a candidate,
but—maybe it’s because—look what happens when you elect someone without
shame? Someone who truly has no issue manipulating
the process and using their power in all the worst ways? Maybe we’re just realizing now that we’ve
been lucky—in some respects—all these years.
This President is utilizing every loophole.
THEM: So now we’re
saying—Yes, we need a saint, because—
ME: Because we
have the actual Devil.
THEM: We need
someone we can trust. And how do you
know if you can trust someone? Well, a
lot of times, it comes down to—Do I see myself in this person? Because most people trust themselves,
right? So if a candidate reminds me of
me, it’s going to trigger that thing inside me that believes I’m looking at a
good person. And I’m more apt to go in
that direction than to try and see myself in people on the other side.
ME: It’s that New
York Times thing of profiling Nazis and asking why liberals aren’t trying to
understand them.
THEM: Nazis and
the Liberals Who Need to Love Them If We Want the White House Back.
ME: It’s this condescending
idea that we need to meet these people halfway.
How do you meet a Nazi halfway?
THEM: That’s like
a bad set-up for a joke.
ME: We’re talking
about things like gay marriage and a woman’s right to choose—how do you meet
halfway on those issues?
THEM: You don’t. Plain and simple.
ME: And yet there’s
all this talk about we’re all not really that different—
THEM: Or that
there are problems on both sides.
ME: It just makes
for a better story on the news.
THEM: Or it prevents half the population from turning off their televisions.
ME: I was saying
to someone earlier that it feels like we have to be pragmatic but also
optimistic and that can be a hard balance to achieve.
THEM: It feels impossible
a lot of the time.
ME: So what do we
do?
THEM: We keep
trying to get more people engaged. That’s
the key thing. In the amount of time it
takes to get a voter to change their mind, you probably could have signed up
ten new voters.
ME: So I’m…right?
THEM: You are
right—about that. Yes.
ME: I love when I’m
right.
THEM: I’m not
saying give up on moderate voters and reaching across the aisle, but whichever
candidate we wind up with is probably going to turn off nearly as many people
as Hillary Clinton did. We talk about
her as if she was this unpopular, uh, candidate and that somebody else easily would
have beat Trump, but I don’t know if that’s true. I think the way things are now, whoever winds
up in that spotlight is going to face the same challenges. People call it identity politics, but it’s
just who we are now. We draw that line
and we stick to our side of it.
ME: But are there
Conservatives or moderates who are sick of the President?
THEM: I’m sure
there are, but to me, relying on them feels like a gamble. We didn’t lose the last election by that much
in the grand scheme of things. We won
the popular vote. This idea that we need
to toss out the old way of doing things and start from scratch is—I just don’t
see that being viable in the long-term.
But I do think we all need to be making noise about protecting our
elections.
ME: How do we do
that when the people who benefit from those elections being rigged don’t want
to?
THEM: Again—no idea.
ME: We’re not
solving any problems here.
THEM: But maybe we
can get people to stop saying ‘electable.’
ME: If that’s all
that comes out of this—
THEM: It will have
been worth it.
Them works in the
political arena, but they wouldn’t say they’re obsessed with it.
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