I’m taking a little break from talking about
theater to talk about a new topic everybody’s
obsessed with--
Seasonal Depression
For a long time, I thought I was the only
one who got it in the summer, but after
posting a few sad tweets about it, a couple
of people reached out, and I chose one of
them to go anonymous, and talk about it.
Here’s the interview:
ME: So I did some research--
THEM: You Googled.
ME: I Googled, and it turns out--being
sad in the summer isn’t actually all that
uncommon.
THEM: Yes, Kevin, there’s an entire Lana
Del Rey song about it.
ME: Except the reasons I think it affects me
aren’t what they list on a lot of the websites I found.
THEM: What are the reasons?
ME: I sort of associate summer with, like, me
being stuck in place? Because it always feels
like ‘Oh, look at all these people graduating’
and then I have to reflect on what I’ve done
with my life. Does that happen to you?
THEM: Yeah, I dread seeing those graduation
THEM: Yeah, I dread seeing those graduation
photos in the newspaper.
ME: But the funny thing is, even when I was
the one graduating, I was depressed.
THEM: So this has always been a regular
thing for you?
ME: I’m definitely a creature of habit, and
ME: I’m definitely a creature of habit, and
summer is all about--disrupting habits.
That’s got to be part of it.
THEM: Did you like going to back to school
when you were a kid?
ME: I LOVED going back to school, which
ME: I LOVED going back to school, which
is weird, because I didn’t really like school
all that much.
THEM: Same for me.
ME: How was your Memorial Day?
THEM: It was awful.
THEM: It was awful.
ME: It’s the worst.
THEM: There’s so much pressure to do
stuff that I don’t want to do.
ME: Me too! I hate barbecues, I hate the
beach, I loathe fireworks--
THEM: Just being outside. Hate it.
ME: But I also hate feeling left out.
THEM: So it’s that thing where--
ME: Where you want to be where everyone
else is but you don’t want to be doing what
they’re doing.
THEM: Yup.
ME: It’s like some twisted version of FOMO.
THEM: Which means you like the winter?
ME: LOVE the winter. Love Christmas. I love
ME: LOVE the winter. Love Christmas. I love
what everybody else dreads.
THEM: See, I wouldn’t say I love them. It’s
like--every season has its own specific
form of anxiety.
ME: That’s probably true of me too. But I am
legitimately at my most happy when I’m trapped
inside during a blizzard.
THEM: Why is that?
ME: Because there’s no pressure to do
ME: Because there’s no pressure to do
anything.
THEM: Yeah.
ME: It’s like--Oh good, everybody’s trapped
in their houses. I’m not missing anything.
THEM: But, okay, so--this Memorial Day was
beautiful, and I had talked myself up--or, I--I
had talked myself into, um, accepting any
invitations or whatever--
ME: And nobody invited you to do anything.
THEM: Nobody.
ME: Same here. I know, like, eight people
with yards and pools and nobody did anything.
THEM: Or they hate you and just didn’t invite you.
ME: Honestly? Probably.
THEM: No, I was checking social media to
make sure that wasn’t happening, and
everybody was--I don’t know. You know if the
weather had been bad, people would have
complained, but the weather was great and
nobody took advantage of it.
ME: People are just tired.
THEM: I know I’m tired.
ME: I tell myself that if I had a house with a yard
or a pool or whatever I’d invite people over but--
THEM: No, you wouldn’t.
ME: I probably wouldn’t.
THEM: This was extra-bad for me, because I
think--sometimes where my head is at--I like
knowing there’s something going on, and that
I can go to it, that I’m invited, and then just--not
going? Somehow that feels better?
ME: Because you feel like you could be
included if you wanted to be.
THEM: Yes.
ME: I kept trying to think of alternative things I
can do when the weather is nice, but I don’t
want to engage with it.
THEM: I envy those people who stay in and
don’t care.
ME: I do too.
THEM: They might secretly care, but they act
like they don’t. It’s ninety degrees out and
they’re staying in watching movies with the
air on, and they seem perfectly content.
ME: It’s funny, because when I was younger,
my mom used to have to drag me outside in
the summer, and I used to say, ‘When I get
older I’m going to stay home in the summer
and not care’ and now I care so much.
THEM: And why do we care?
ME: It’s all pressure. It’s just this pressure.
It exists around every holiday now. Every
holiday has its own anxiety--just like the
seasons. Like what you were talking about.
THEM: People want to know how you celebrated.
ME: I think two years ago it rained on Fourth
of July and it felt like a reprieve.
THEM: I remember that. I was so happy.
ME: I was ecstatic.
THEM: You’re right. It’s easier in the winter.
It’s dark at three o’clock and freezing, and
you’re like, ‘Might as well go home and not
leave my house for seventeen hours.’
ME: And not feel bad about it.
THEM: And not feel bad about it.
ME: I’m counting the days until next February.
THEM: What did the websites do to counteract
the sadness?
ME: Uh--get help? Like a therapist.
THEM: Check.
ME: (Laughs.) Check, check.
THEM: Do you talk to your therapist about it?
ME: Yeah, we started to, and she says--Well,
ME: Yeah, we started to, and she says--Well,
it’s a whole thing. Because it’s connected to
so many different--it’s weird how much you
can associate with something like weather.
THEM: My therapist laughed when I told her
I hate being woken up by natural light.
ME: I hate that too.
THEM: I got those blackout curtains.
ME: Good for you.
THEM: I just want to live in the dark.
ME: I’d be so much happier if I was a vampire.
THEM: You’d have to sleep in dirt.
ME: I’ve slept in worse.
THEM: (Laughs.) Are you nervous about
Fourth of July this year?
ME: It’s my least favorite day of the year.
THEM: Maybe it’ll rain again.
ME: I’m not going to get that lucky.
THEM: And we barely got a winter.
ME: We got, like, what? One snowstorm?
THEM: We should move to Alaska.
THEM: We should move to Alaska.
ME: Let’s do it. I’m down.
THEM: But all the ice is melting, right?
ME: Where is the ice not melting? I should
ME: Where is the ice not melting? I should
look that up.
THEM: You do that.
ME: I feel like we should have offered advice
or support or something--
THEM: We are. We’re letting weirdos like
us know they’re not alone.
ME: That’s the least amount of support we
can possibly give.
THEM: Listen, we’re not doctors. Tell them
to see a doctor like the website says.
ME: That’s a good idea.
THEM: Even though we’re seeing doctors and--
ME: Where did you get your blackout curtains?
Them suffers from summertime sadness,
like the Lana Del Rey song.
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